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And how about adding a Great Flail, a two-handed Simple Melee Weapon doing 1d10 bludgeoning, ignores shields, and usable with the Polearm Master feat? Both types of flail would be interesting choices for a wizard with the Peasant Hero background or a cleric of an agricultural deity.
(The Mangual in the video would be a Martial Weapon.)
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It would require training to properly use one effectively with a shield or while dual-wielding without accidentally hitting yourself. Also, in previous editions flails were generally able to be used to perform a trip or disarm maneuver, and such
things are generally restricted to martial weapons.
We also made it if you are attacking a creature benefiting from a shield, you gain a +1 on your attack roll.
5E D&D doesn't use the War flail, which would be 1E's Footman's flail (and the current flail would be a horseman's flail). Also, while it isn't relevant to D&D, a blocked flail hit takes the user a moment or two to recover and get the ball-and-chain type flail back into a powerful swing. It works well if you can hit the opponent and move on quickly to the next (such as on horseback), but in a one-on-one fight I've seen its best to drop it for another weapon.
I could see the War flail/Footman's flail being a polearm, used with Polearm mastery. In 1E, it did basically 1d8 damage (actually 1d6+1). The "horseman's flail" on the 5E weapon chart really should be doing 1d6 if you look at 1E (actually 1d4+1).
I’ve never been 100% clear on the difference between a flail and a morning star; the image in post 2, I would have considered a morning star?
I’ve never been 100% clear on the difference between a flail and a morning star; the image in post 2, I would have considered a morning star?
A morning star is a ball (usually spiked, but not always) on the end of a stick. A flail is a weight of some kind attached to the end of a stick by a chain. Both of the images shown are flails, one just has more heads than the other. This is a morning star:Looking at the video, I would say an untrained person is equally likely to inflict major damage on anyone standing withing 20 feet, including their allies. So no, I would not allow it untrained.
I’ve never been 100% clear on the difference between a flail and a morning star; the image in post 2, I would have considered a morning star?
No, the term "Morningstar" should correctly only be used for a spiked mace (as opposed to a flanged mace).The "military flail" with a short haft, a length of chain, and a spiked ball at the end, was quite rare, both in depictions and in actually surviving examples. It was probably a curiosity that didn't see a lot of use (for obvious reasons).
The Footmans Flail in 1e was my fav weapon, it's damage was good and it's to hit v armour type was very good. And they look cool!
I'd keep it as a martial weapon in 5e
It was probably a curiosity that didn't see a lot of use (for obvious reasons).
Do you think it might have been a duelling weapon? They did like the weird and wonderful for duelling weapons.
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